Posted by Franxwadu on August 06, 2000 at 00:05:44:
In Reply to: Prophet Mohammad: White, Black, or What? posted by True Islam on August 04, 2000 at 23:15:42:
: In the Name of Allah, Who Came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad (TWAPIDF), and in the Name of His Living and Exalted Christ, the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and Their Divine Reminder, the Honorable Louis Farrakhan.
: Peace to all.
: I wanted to contribute to this discussion earlier, but time constraints prohibited my doing so. We do have a difficult situation in that we have two different and seemingly mutually exclusive statements by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad on the "race" of Prophet Mohammad. Was he a white man or an Original Man? The words of T.H.E.M. would suggest both. But this cant be. I think in such a situation, where the Revealed word is ambiguous, we are allowed and even obligated to take recourse to the "secular word" of historical evidence. Muhammad teaches us that, of all of our studies, it is History which is best qualified to reward our research.
: The first thing that must be understood is that the true and original "Arabs" were Black, not Semtic or white. Bertram Thomas, historian and former Prime Minister of Muscat and Oman, observed that, based on a study of Arab skeletal remains,
: "The original inhabitants of Arabia…were not the familiar Arabs of our time but a very much darker people. A proto-negroid belt of mankind stretched across the ancient world from Africa to Malaya. This belt…(gave) rise to the Hamitic peoples of Africa, to the Dravidian peoples of India, and to and intermediate dark people inhabiting the Arabian peninsula. In the course of time two migrations of fair-skinned peoples came from the north…to break through and transform the dark belt of man beyond India (and) to drive a wedge between India and Africa…
: …The more virile invaders overcame the dark-skinned peoples, absorbing most of them, driving others southwards…The cultural condition of the new comers is unknown. It is unlikely that they were more than wild hordes of adventurous hunters."
: West Asian scholar Runoko Rashidi noted,
: "The Arabian Peninsula, first inhabited over 8,000 years ago, was, like much of Asia, first populated by Black people…Some of the surviving Black populations, known as the Veddoids, are major portions of the Mahra population found still in the extremities of Arabia."
: The period of Black civilization in Arabia is known as the epoch of the "First Adites" from Ad, grandson of Ham, the Biblical ancestor of Blacks. This empire was destroyed in the eighteenth century b.c. "by an invasion of coarse, white Jectanide tribes". The Cushites or Black Adities reagined political and cultural control, however, inaugurating the epoch of the "Second Adites." In the eighth century b.c., the white Jectanides, having become strong enough, seized power again.
: "So long as the empire of the Second Adites lasted, the Jectanides were under the Kushites (sic). But a day came when they felt strong enough to become masters in their turn. Led by Iarob, they attacked the Adites and were able to overcome them. This revolution is usually dated at the beginning of the eighth century b.c."
: After the Jectanide victory, some of the Adites crossed the Red Sea at Bab el Manded to settle in Ethiopia, while others remained in Arabia, taking refuge in the mountains of Hadramaut and elsewhere. Many returned to the South (Yemen).
: Mohammad's paternal lineage is traced back to these ancient Blacks. In fact, the Quraysh, the tribe from which the Holy Prophet emerged, claims descent from the Black Adites. In Al-Makkari, where we find one of the oldest documents of Arabian Geneology, we read:
: "Know, O reader! The great stock of 'Adnan [Aden-Ad], from which issued the Beni Khandaf, anf from these the Beni Qurayah, and from these latter the Beni Hashim…"
: The Beni Hashim is the particular tribe that Mohammad claimed. He referred to himself as, "Arab of the Arabs, of the purest blood of your land, of the family of the Hashim and of the tribe of Quraysh." The Beni Hashim was an old and noble southern Arabian family. It consisted of Mohammd's grandfather, Abd al-Muttalib; his uncle, Abu Talib (father of Ali); Al-Harith, a Himyarite; Talib and Jaafar. Noted Muslim writer al-Jahiz (c. 860) observed in his "Boast of the Blacks over the Whites,"
: "The ten lordly sons of 'Abd al-Muttalib (Mohammad's grandfather) were very black in color and large of body. When Amir Ibn al-Tufayl saw them circumambulating (the Ka'ba) like dark camels, he said, "With such men as these is the custody of the Ka'ba preserved.' Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Mohammad's cousin) had very dark skin and large body. The family of Abu Talib, the most noble of men, is more or less black-colored."
: We see here that Mohammad's grandfather fathered ten sons who were Black. One of those was Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib, the Prophet's father. Abd Allah ibn Abbas, the Prophet's cousin and one of the greatest mufassirun or Quranic exegetes was also Black with "very dark skin."
: Thus the Prophet's paternal linage was definitely Black. His mother Amina, however, was from the Beni Zorah, a Semetic tribe from the family of Abib Shems. Mohammad thus sprung from a Black father and White mother.
: In terms of the Prophet's physical appearance, there are conflicting reports. . Islamisict D.S. Margoliouth uncovered an ancient text which describes the Prophet as "large mouthed, and bluish colored, with hair that was neither straight nor curly, that is, hair that was probably frizzy, like that of the Fuzzy-Wuzzy." But this report is doubtful. It is not found in any of the canonical texts. More reliable reports depict the Prophet as "white skinned" and even as a "white man." In a report from Anas ibn Malik and found in Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith (Hadith 1.63), we read:
: "While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The man then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib."
: In another report (Hadith 5.612) narrated by Abu Musa, it says:
: "The Prophet asked for water, performed ablution and then raised his hands, saying, "O Allah! Forgive 'Ubaid, Abu Amir." At that time I saw the whiteness of the Prophet's armpits."
: We have here Mohammad referred to as a "white man" just as the Honorable Elijah Muhammad referred to him. Yet his Black paternal ancestry was known. Thus, I must agree with those who argue that "white" is not synonymous with "Caucasian." "White" refers to phenotype, which is how a person looks. "Caucasian" refers to genotype, which is the person's genetic makeup or racial affiliation. One can thus be "white" phenotypically and not Caucasian genetically. We (Black People) produce said persons all of the time. Many of them chose to "Pass" as Caucasian.
: I hope this helps
: True Islam
You got your history mixed up! First of all, if what you say is true, then we are the chidren of the white folks! Yea right! Second in the bible ther are first the creation and then the making of a man and woman. Now the first two was told to replenish the earth and subdue it, and to eat all of the fruits thereof. The second ones where told to keep the garden and not to eat the fruit from the tree in the midst of the garden.Now for verification of this, cain said to the god, what if one finds me and slays me? whom was the one he was talking about? According to the book at that time there was only himself his dead brother, and his parents. Now if this being the case where did he go and get a wife from, what was the town that he went to, for it is said that he went to a place and found a wife! Also, how in the ell can you come to a place such as this a try to put that small time stuff down!
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